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Kelly Thorson
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Vitrolite for Cemetery Glass Project

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While in Kamenicky Senov, Czech Republic, I took the time to visit a quaint and very beautiful cemetery. I was surprised to see that most of the headstones contained black glass plates with the names sandblasted and sometimes leafed in them.
I've been approached to do some work for a cemetery and they are quite excited about the possibility of using plates like these for the project. In my searches I learned something interesting about Czech cemeteries. The plots and crypts are rented by the families of the deceased and when there is no more family or if they stop paying rent the plot is often rented to someone else and often the headstone is reused and the plate glass is covered or replaced with a new plate. I find that a bit sad as it obliterates a lot of genealogical information, but it explains the reasoning for all the etched black glass plates. I had simply put it down to glass being a native and traditional material.
Where would a person start to source black glass and what would a reasonable thickness be for a 30" x 36" panel?
If I were to leaf some of the sandblasted text, are there any foreseeable problems in blasting, cleaning, sizing, leafing and then removing the mask and touching up any rough edges right away?
I also found a link to a glass monument place which I thought might relate to a post that was posted by Eric a while back. You may have come across this or perhaps someone else posted it before Eric, but if not you will likely find it a bit interesting, especially since our trip. :) check it out

I've edited the title to add the word Vitrolite to help for future searches.
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Re: Cemetery Glass

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Kelly,

I did posted a lot of links from European glasmanufactures who make headstones.
Our culture (West European) is very progresive in different styles of headstones.
The colored, fused, kiln fired, cast, sandblasted and sculptured glass techinques are widely used.
As I mentioned then, most of the glass techniques are very labourous and therefore not everybody can pay for the work.
Headstones is something else, often no costs are hold back and therefore I was exploring ways to use the gold, silvering on embossed glass techniques for headstones.

If you want I can search some of the resources of this black glass herre in Europe.....

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Re: Cemetery Glass

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Thanks bud, I'll likely see what I can source out in Canada and secondly in the US before I start looking in Europe. If I end up looking in Europe maybe Dasa can help me seeing as how it is her home town I took the pictures in.
What a great time we had, eh? I'm missing it all.
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Re: Cemetery Glass

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Do you know the name of the black glass in English?
Did you had anyy contact with Dasa, since we came from Kamenicky?
I am still working on the translation of the glassbook and asked her a question about it, but not received a reply..
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Re: Cemetery Glass

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Erik,
In the states there used to be available 5/16" thick sheets of opaque colored glass sheets. These sheets were shiny glass on one side and "knurled textured" on the other side to allow them to be pasted to concrete or stone store fronts. It was really nice looking and some of it is still in place and looking as new as when it was installed in the 20's through the early 60's. This glass was called VITROLITE and later SPANDREL glass.
Unfortunately, there are now "those type" in this world who don't respect property and many of these installations that could have remained in history as examples of past architectural treasures have lost their beauty to the point of a broken spark plug or etching paste. What a currant STATEMENT on human spirit to think that some without the SKILL to create something so beautifully long lasting actively thrive to 'F' it up for eternity in a second. (how is it that all those gilded Rawson & Evans signs that survived for years in public never have any monikers gouged into their surface?) What a distasteful waste, more fodder for the landfills and the reason why few store owners desire to chance the craft these days.
Just do a google on "vitrolite" and see some of the stories and photos of past store fronts. Also many high end stores sported vitrolite with elaborate stage carved art deco and other intricate motives. The contrast on the shiny surface with the matte sand carving was fantastic, added gilding really set it off.
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Re: Cemetery Glass

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I did a search......
This guy claims to be the only remaining black glass supplier in the world.
Vitrolite
Check out his website.
Good luck and let me know what happens.

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Re: Cemetery Glass

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Pat do you know of any supply or substitute for that type of glass? I haven't heard from Dasa, but I plan on contacting her Erik. Thanks for the link, I emailed them, hopefully they can help.
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If not.... you can use one side coated glas...?
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Re: Cemetery Glass

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The Vitrolite Specialists was a good lead Erik, thanks. He has what I need, seems pretty good to work with albeit a bit hard to get ahold of. Apparently he is on the road a lot installing this stuff. He was telling me of an entire room done in glue chipped Vitrolite. Stunning but rediculous to clean. :lol: I can only imagine the dust buildup in the grooves and the shredded dusters. I'm thinking I might just order an extra piece for myself that I can do my logo into, so I have a spare in case something goes wrong with one of the ones I have to do.
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Re: Vitrolite for Cemetery Glass Project

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And ofcourse I want to see some photo's of the results.
What will you do? Make a text design, like the ones we saw in the Czech Republic or will you make your own design with ornaments and all?

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